TRUMP WINS

[WyattEarp]

Sanders is too far left in a traditional sense. He likes commie economic policies but I don't think he's a fan of the newer even more socially radical form of leftism that includes school girls sharing washrooms with naked men.

So he's not cool enough to clinch the blue-haired pansexual pronoun vote.

I'm glad someone said it. Bernie was a bread and butter issues Leftist. The State would provide. The State would strongly support the union movement. The State would challenge big business and so on.

The social and identity issues just kind of started moving fast and furious within the party and he's been trying to keep up. I don't remember him being so supportive of a more open border policy. Perhaps I wasn't paying attention, but I think in the past he was more about class issues and not identity politics.

Why does this matter? It's hard to hold a coalition that includes a blue collar factory worker in Michigan and a progressive in San Francisco. The more you cater to one the more you lose the other.

I think some people think Bernie could just rebuild the Blue Wall and there wouldn't be any internal conflicts within the party. Everything would be a net pick-up for Bernie.

 

[WyattEarp]

No.
Illegal immigrants who are criminals should be deported immediately.
The rest should be allowed to stay with a path to citizenship.
Cruel and inhumane treatment of people should be avoided.
Its just a piece of paper in the end.

Its just a piece of paper in the end?
This is just flippant bullshit.

I don't view those of us who were born and raised in our respective countries as just paper-holders.
I don't view those of us who served in our respective militaries as just paper-holders.
I don't view those of us who give back to our communities and serve communities as just paper-holders.

I view citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper in the end.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Its just a piece of paper in the end?
This is just flippant bullshit.

I don't view those of us who were born and raised in our respective countries as just paper-holders.
I don't view those of us who served in our respective militaries as just paper-holders.
I don't view those of us who give back to our communities and serve communities as just paper-holders.

I view citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper in the end.

Dont conflate identity with legality.

 

[WyattEarp]

Dont conflate identity with legality.

That's just a twist of words. Citizenship is and should be more than just legality.

There are North Americans who hold citizenship in three or more countries. Yeah, your view that it's nothing more than a piece of paper would be correct for these "citizens".

 

[Leimonis]

Not ready to admit that I was right just yet, I see.
Its just so stupid that Harris chose to back genocide over winning the election.

If only she was as smart as you are

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

That's just a twist of words. Citizenship is and should be more than just legality.

There are North Americans who hold citizenship in three or more countries. Yeah, your view that it's nothing more than a piece of paper would be correct for these "citizens".

No it is not a twist of words.
You are conflating both.
And no it shouldn't.
No one can be a naturalized citizen if that was the case.

 

[The Oracle]

DeNiro must be fuming, lol.

 

[Frankfooter]

What do you think I missed?

'Empathy' in cognitive empathy.
You were too busy trying to appear to win.

 

[Frankfooter]

That's just a twist of words. Citizenship is and should be more than just legality.

There are North Americans who hold citizenship in three or more countries. Yeah, your view that it's nothing more than a piece of paper would be correct for these "citizens".

Like Elon Musk and Melania?

 

[Frankfooter]

If only she was as smart as you are

If only she wasn't as evil as you.

 

[JohnLarue]

Its just a piece of paper in the end?
This is just flippant bullshit.

I don't view those of us who were born and raised in our respective countries as just paper-holders.
I don't view those of us who served in our respective militaries as just paper-holders.
I don't view those of us who give back to our communities and serve communities as just paper-holders.

I view citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper in the end.

well said
citizenship is also respect for the country's laws and the countries boarders
illegal immigrants by definition do not respect the laws or boarders of the country as they by definition believe the laws of the country do not apply to them

today is remembrance day
it would be prudent for all to pause and think carefully about the lives lost to protect the value of the "citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper '

 

[drewstar]

'Empathy' in cognitive empathy.
You were too busy trying to appear to win.

Lefties love to play the victim when theyre put in their place. Go fly a kite.

Trump and Polievre will reshape North America for the better soon enough.

 

[richaceg]

Depends

Lefties love to play the victim when theyre put in their place. Go fly a kite.

Trump and Polievre will reshape North America for the better soon enough.

Trump officially resigned from McDonald's

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Like Elon Musk and Melania?

They are rich, powerful and white.
The right apply a different standard to them.

 

[JohnLarue]

The national party works with the state parties to control much of corporate capitalism. As long as the states and executives don't threaten the party and its interests, they stay in the good graces of the CCP.

and if you do not stay in the good graces of the CCP , you disappear
Capitalism is so much easier when you can eliminate the domestic competition

how anyone can deem this a success is bewildering

 

[WyattEarp]

No it is not a twist of words.
You are conflating both.
And no it shouldn't.
No one can be a naturalized citizen if that was the case.

I never said citizenship should be excluded to a birth right. I stated "I view citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper in the end." Common definitions discuss rights and responsibilities. Without getting all law and order about it, responsibilities would include following the processes set forth by the country you want to make your new home.

In the end, naturalization should involve more than crossing a border and being automatically cued up for a piece a paper as you describe it. I know a little about how naturalization works in the U.S. when the rules are followed. I don't know how Canada does it, but Canada doesn't have a border problem either.

 

[JohnLarue]

They are rich, powerful and white.
The right apply a different standard to them.

hmmm ,....... judging someone based on the color of their skin ???
I doubt Dr. King would be proud of you
so what hypocritical standard works for you ?

 

[JohnLarue]

I never said citizenship should be excluded to a birth right. I stated "I view citizenship as a whole lot more than just a piece of paper in the end." Common definitions discuss rights and responsibilities. Without getting all law and order about it, responsibilities would include following the processes set forth by the country you want to make your new home.

In the end, naturalization should involve more than crossing a border and being automatically cued up for a piece a paper as you describe it. I know a little about how naturalization works in the U.S. when the rules are followed. I don't know how Canada does it, but Canada doesn't have a border problem either.

I am assuming you are not a Canadian
Canada does have a boarder problem
Justin Trudeau declared Canada as ''welcoming'' and illegal immigrants have been walking into our country at an alarming rate ever since
Many claim to be refugees and are put up in hotels, and given $ for food / clothing all at the tax payers expense
Trumps victory will drive a huge wave of illegal immigrants to cross into Canada

FYI : Most Canadians are generally compassionate and charitable, but this has become abusive of the immigration system.
Immigration (legal / illegal) has accelerate the population growth rate so quickly that housing prices skyrocketed to silly unaffordable levels and strained our tax payer funded health care system

Justin Trudeau is irresponsible, an ideologue and just plain stupid
Ready, shoot, aim has been his policy development procedure
He has cemented his legacy as Canadas worst Prime Minister and that is now a non-partisan view.
If a bookie offered me 100 to 1 odds on his re-election, i would not risk the one dollar

 

[WyattEarp]

and if you do not stay in the good graces of the CCP , you disappear
Capitalism is so much easier when you can eliminate the domestic competition

how anyone can deem this a success is bewildering

There are a few members (very few) who are sympathetic of (or let's say charitable to) China. Some will disappointingly deny Hong Kong citizens (and perhaps even Taiwan) agency. This all goes through some progressive ideological mish-mash where the United States represents the Right and a lot of what is bad in the world. Countervailing forces are too be regarded and not judged.

In this morality play in their minds, China was a victim and is now emerging to challenge American and Western hegemony around the world. The reality is China is still a developing country that has achieved a mid-level standard of living for its populace. It's sheer size allows it to project power on the world stage and intimidate its neighbors.

China resembles the Soviet Union more than many would want to admit. China's ability to graft market capitalism with a heavy government hand on to its autocratic governance has allowed it to go from being poor to an industrialized nation in one generation. This development path is actually not unique to China. What makes China different is its sheer size.

The next question is can China and its shaky economy persevere through the next step commonly called the middle income trap. Demographic headwinds caused by the CCP's one child policy will make the challenge greater. The easiest growth is now behind China.

Middle income trap - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SchlongConery]

I think its because the USA is the worlds most powerful country and our neighbor to the south. The dont care about canada because we are perceived as a weak country

I doubt it. I think it is more of a vicarious symbolic representation of their political views. Or in the case of Trump... just plain Cult Worshippers.