Starmer denies UK at war after Ukraine fires British Storm Shadow missiles into Russian territory

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November 2024

Sir Keir Starmer has said that the UK is “not at war” and suggested there had been “irresponsible rhetoric” from Russia.

Ukraine has fired British long-range Storm Shadow missiles into Russian territory for the first time, The Independent understands, the latest sign of a change in stance from Western countries on involvement in the conflict.

Speaking to BBC Radio Bristol as part of a local radio round on Friday, 22 November, Sir Keir Starmer was asked “are we at war” in relation to the conflict in Ukraine.

“No, we’re not at war, but Ukraine certainly is, because Ukraine has been invaded by Russia, and that war has now been going on for just over 1,000 days,” Sir Keir responded.

After Russia threatened to use weapons against nations that allow their own weapons to be used inside Russia, the PM said: “There’s irresponsible rhetoric.”

Starmer denies UK at war after Ukraine fires British Storm Shadow missiles into Russian territory

Sir Keir Starmer has said that the UK is “not at war” and suggested there had been “irresponsible rhetoric” from Russia. Ukraine has fired British long-range Storm Shadow missiles into Russian territory for the first time, The Independent understands, the latest sign of a change in stance from...

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Putin's new missile leaves the whole of Europe minutes from Armageddon: Hypersonic weapon used in Ukraine 'could hit London in 20 minutes' and strike anywhere in Europe with multiple nuclear warheads

22 November 2024

Vladimir Putin's experimental hypersonic rocket unleashed on Ukraine for the first time yesterday could strike any city in Europe in under 20 minutes, it is feared.

Ukraine's air force raised the alarm early Thursday morning that Russia's forces had deployed an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) as security cameras captured the moment multiple warheads rained down over the city of Dnipro.

Putin later revealed the strike was conducted by the 'Oreshnik' - a never-before-seen intermediate-range ballistic missile (IBRM) - in response to Ukraine's use of UK-supplied Storm Shadow rockets to hit targets in Russia's Kursk region.

The weapon is not as powerful or fast as Russia's most fearsome ICBMs like the RS-24 Yars, which is capable of unleashing several separate nuclear warheads anywhere in the US after flying through space at 19,000mph.

But the 'Oreshnik' is still a hypersonic projectile that can fly at 10 times the speed of sound - or around 7,600mph - up to a range of roughly 5,000km, or 3,100 miles, according to Russian military sources.

If the missile was launched from the Kapustin Yar range in Russia's southern Astrakhan region, as it was in yesterday's strike on Ukraine, Putin could still comfortably hit any target in Europe or the UK without having to turn to his most powerful weapons.

Targets in London would go up in flames in under 20 minutes while Berlin further east would have less than 15 minutes before impact.

Russian military analysts also warned that the Oreshnik was certainly nuclear-capable, despite being armed with conventional warheads in the strike on Ukraine.

Russia's ambassador to the UK yesterday declared that Ukraine's use of Storm Shadow missiles on Russian territory means Britain 'is now directly involved in this war'.

'This firing cannot happen without NATO staff, British staff as well,' Andrei Kelin told Sky News this afternoon - a day after British-made rockets battered a military base in Russia's Kursk region.

The Kremlin followed with a statement this morning saying that yesterday's strike was a clear response to the West that Moscow will not tolerate further escalations.

And Vladimir Putin reportedly called a secret meeting with top military brass for this evening after a top British military official insisted the armed forces would be ready to fight tonight if called upon.

The US and UK authorised Kyiv to hit targets on Russian soil with Storm Shadow and ATACMS rockets over the weekend. Ukraine's forces acted quickly, putting them to use in two different attacks in Russia's Bryansk and Kursk regions.

'The main message is that the reckless decisions and actions of Western countries, which produce missiles, supply them to Ukraine and subsequently take part in carrying out strikes on Russian territory, cannot remain without a reaction from the Russian side,' Peskov said.

'We are in no doubt that the current administration in Washington has had the chance to familiarise itself with this announcement and understand it.'

But Western leaders have rebuffed the warning.

Sir Keir Starmer's office said yesterday: 'If (the suspected ICBM strike) is true, clearly
this would be another example of grave, reckless and escalatory behaviour from Russia and only serves to strengthen our resolve.'

Swedish Defence Minister Pal Jonson said Stockholm would not be intimidated by Russia's provocations.

'The Russian escalation and provocation that we've been noticing recently is an attempt to scare us from supporting Ukraine, and that will fail. This will not happen,' Jonson told reporters at a joint press conference in Stockholm with his Ukrainian counterpart Rustem Umerov.

The Pentagon said the Oreshnik was based on the RS-26 Frontier - another nuclear-capable missile that experts say blurs the lines between IBRM and ICBM.

Missiles are generally classified as ICBMs if they can strike targets at distances greater than 5,500km, or 3,417 miles.

The RS-26 is said to have a maximum range of roughly 5,800km with a single, lightweight warhead, but has mostly been tested with heavier payloads at much shorter ranges.

Development of the RS-26 was launched in 2008 and its first-ever successful test launch unfolded in May of 2012.

Based on its reported capabilities, the Oreshnik is likely a lighter, less powerful variant of an RS-26 missile designed for strikes at ranges between a few hundred and 5,000km.

US defence officials also confirmed yesterday that Moscow had notified Washington ahead of the strike on Ukraine through nuclear risk reduction channels to avoid triggering early launch warning alarms and a possible response.

Security cameras caught the moment several warheads streaked through the night
sky and triggered a series of violent explosions in Dnipro yesterday.

The ferocity, speed and coordinated nature of the salvos suggested the explosions were caused by MIRVs (multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles) released by the Oreshnik.

MIRVs are typically a feature of nuclear ICBMs designed for full-scale attacks on targets thousands of miles away - one missile can carry multiple warheads that break up and can be guided onto separate targets.

Experts said Putin's use of an advanced hypersonic weapon to deliver a non-nuclear strike on Ukraine was very costly but served to illustrate how Moscow could dramatically escalate the conflict.

Dr Ruth Deyermond, Senior Lecturer in Post-Soviet Security at King's College London, told MailOnline: 'This strike has no obvious military value - they could achieve the same objectives without sacrificing (an ICBM or advanced missile).

'It looks very much as if it's signalling to the West what Russia could do if it chose to - launch a nuclear-armed missile. But it's actually a sign of weakness,' she added.

'The Russian government knows what would happen to it if they did attempt to use any kind of nuclear weapon, so they have to resort to bluffing.'

Dr Mattias Eken, a defence and security analyst at RAND Europe, added: 'The reported range of 700km (to Dnipro) falls short of the typical intercontinental range. Nevertheless, such a strike could have a symbolic value.

'The message that Putin and Russia are trying to send to the West is: we too have missiles that can strike anywhere in the world.

'Particularly after the US allowed ATACMS/Storm Shadow to target Russia, Putin may have felt compelled to demonstrate Russia's ability to use long-range missiles as well.'

Putin's new missile leaves the whole of Europe minutes from Armageddon

Putin revealed yesterday's strike on Ukraine was conducted by the 'Oreshnik' - a never-before-seen intermediate-range ballistic missile (IBRM) - that flies 10 times the speed of sound

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[nottyboi]

The USA plans to deploy IRBMs to Germany in 2026, this striike was defintly a message to the Europeans and esp the Germans. In the event the US missiles are based in Germany, any launch from Germany would be deemed a first strike and Russia will wipe it out with these weapons. In fact it may lead to Russia preempting a first strike.This missile cannot be intercepted with current technonolgy. That is why NATO is holding a code brown emergncy meeting.

 

[mandrill]

Ok, geniuses....

Is Iran at war because Russia fires Iranian missiles????

 

[nottyboi]

Ok, geniuses....

Is Iran at war because Russia fires Iranian missiles????

Almost every missile Iran has, was built with Russian assistance, including the Shahed, Yes Russia did not bother building them as they did not see the need until the Ukraine war. Now they are building at least 500 a month and more advanced versions are entering service. Russia also transfers the tech for more advanced version to Iran. The Iranians are also very clever and industrious people. I have never met an Iranian that was not smart. Its funny how ALL of NATO + is supplying Ukraine yet somehow people try to shame Russia for getting ammo from Iran and NK. All of which was developed with Russian assistance. The premise of the UK and USA being at war is not just the supply of weapons. The whole system of programing the missiles using satellite maps is all done with US infrastructure and NATO technicians. They all require secure access to NATO systems and Ukrainains are not given access to these systems for secuirty and control purposes. So NATO is 100% involved in these missions, and thus the redline. Iran has at most provided hardware. And none of it has struck NATO nations. Do you see the diff? Probably not, but you are just a simian so I understand your species has does not have fully developed logic.

 

[mandrill]

Almost every missile Iran has, was built with Russian assistance, including the Shahed, Yes Russia did not bother building them as they did not see the need until the Ukraine war. Now they are building at least 500 a month and more advanced versions are entering service. Russia also transfers the tech for more advanced version to Iran. The Iranians are also very clever and industrious people. I have never met an Iranian that was not smart. Its funny how ALL of NATO + is supplying Ukraine yet somehow people try to shame Russia for getting ammo from Iran and NK. All of which was developed with Russian assistance. The premise of the UK and USA being at war is not just the supply of weapons. The whole system of programing the missiles using satellite maps is all done with US infrastructure and NATO technicians. They all require secure access to NATO systems and Ukrainains are not given access to these systems for secuirty and control purposes. So NATO is 100% involved in these missions, and thus the redline. Iran has at most provided hardware. And none of it has struck NATO nations. Do you see the diff? Probably not, but you are just a simian so I understand your species has does not have fully developed logic.

So the fact that Russia helped Iran build the missiles means that Iran isn't actually helping Russia fight the Ukraine War, Notty?......

In monkey terms, the fact that one baboon gathers coconuts for another baboon to throw at his enemy the chimpanzee means that the first baboon is helping the other baboon fight. But maybe your logic is different.

 

[oil&gas]

There is a differemce.

Iran is a strategic partner of Russia.

Zelensky is NATO's janitor, valet of Macron, Starmer
and Biden taking free money and weapons from the
west to do their dirty work.

Help received by Iran from Russia is nothing out of
ordinary compared with backing of Israel by the U.S.

 

[nottyboi]

So the fact that Russia helped Iran build the missiles means that Iran isn't actually helping Russia fight the Ukraine War, Notty?......

In monkey terms, the fact that one baboon gathers coconuts for another baboon to throw at his enemy the chimpanzee means that the first baboon is helping the other baboon fight. But maybe your logic is different.

No they are just a supplier of material for trade. Russia decides what to do with them and nothing Russia has launched has hit a NATO nation. OTOH with ATACM and the cruise missiles, NATO actually send staff and uses its systems to select targets, NATO staff prep program the mssiles using NATO systems and intel. Then a Ukranain flies the plane and launces the missile at a designated spot where it now strikes Russian territory. If the missile was just delivered there is no way Ukarine could use it for the reasons I mentioned. So there is active NATO personnel acting on orders of political leaders involved in the launch of a missile that strikes Russian territory. The first baboon is providing coconuts .He does not pick the target or tell the other baboon to throw it. The thowing of the coconut is a non dependant action. Got it now? The 2nd baboon can just as easily choose to eat the coconut and not throw it. In this case the 2nd baboon cannot thow the coconut without continued involvement of the first

 

[mandrill]

No they are just a supplier of material for trade. Russia decides what to do with them and nothing Russia has launched has hit a NATO nation. OTOH with ATACM and the cruise missiles, NATO actually send staff and uses its systems to select targets, NATO staff prep program the mssiles using NATO systems and intel. Then a Ukranain flies the plane and launces the missile at a designated spot where it now strikes Russian territory. If the missile was just delivered there is no way Ukarine could use it for the reasons I mentioned. So there is active NATO personnel acting on orders of political leaders involved in the launch of a missile that strikes Russian territory. The first baboon is providing coconuts .He does not pick the target or tell the other baboon to throw it. The thowing of the coconut is a non dependant action. Got it now? The 2nd baboon can just as easily choose to eat the coconut and not throw it. In this case the 2nd baboon cannot thow the coconut without continued involvement of the first

Iran knows that the missile will be used against Ukraine, a country supported by NATO. Just like the first baboon knows the coconut is going to be thrown at the chimp.

Nice try. I understand that there's a nice new Jackson Hinckle video out today. Go and do something useful with your time.