As I mentioned these idiotic arguments just serve to embarrass you. They have nothing to do with facts or law.
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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As I mentioned these idiotic arguments just serve to embarrass you. They have nothing to do with facts or law.
I said I agree with Nentanyahu that one state solution is the way to go, But I also said that a jewish state isn't a solution to the conflict because it would keep fighting to defend its Jewishness , so the only solution is a binational jewish -arab state or a secular state inclusive to all its citizens.
Don't kid yourself, GoWest. I understood the game you were playing.
The point is this: Netanyahu's comments can't be divided and reinterpreted in the intellectually dishonest way you proposed.
Yes, he said the Arabs in the West Bank could become citizens of Jordan and Israel. He also said that Israel's existence as a Jewish nation must be protected, and that he opposed the creation of a new Palestinian state (which, in this context, would most certainly include changes that transform Israel into a Palestinian state).
You took one sentence and tried to twist it to fit a modern context that is quite different than the one that existed when the statement was made. It is clear that you don't agree with his position and it was dishonest to say you "agreed" with him.
...But I also said that a jewish state isn't a solution to the conflict because....
Palestinian leaders such as those in Hamas won't stop attacking until it is destroyed. Fatah's armed wing has said they will too.
Any solution won't happen until Palestinian factions decide peace is better than a losing war.
I said I agree with Nentanyahu ....
Recall that your video clip is from almost 40 years ago.
Israel isn't a democracy because most of arabs who live under Israeli control don't have the right for voting.....
Back to this again.
Palestinians in the West Bank aren't Israeli and don't want to be Israeli. They don't want to vote in Israeli elections.
International human rights law provides that the right of States to decide who their nationals are is not absolute and, in particular, States must comply with their human rights obligations concerning the granting and loss of nationality.
You mean like the Arab states that keep descendants of Palestinians locked in camps?
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Also Israel is keeping those people on the west bank stateless based on ethnicity because it grants the jews living in the west bank Israeli citizenship
So what is your explanation for Israel encouraging Arabs in East Jerusalem and the Golan becoming citizens?
Were they offered the right to vote and rejected it ? Are You just making some assumptions based on newspapers polls ?
Yep. I figure decades of polls and statements from the Palestinian leadership is a lot more reliable than your imagination.
Those are only a minority, the large majority in the west bank haven't been offered this option....
You're right but it quite clearly shows it isn't because of ethnicity but rather because of politics.
... I don't trust polls...
Except when they say what you want.
It's till based on ethnicity. Israel doesn't want arabs to exceed 20% to keep it a jewish majority state, so it's ok that a minority gets citizenship and keep the majority stateless so that they don't exceed 20%
You have quite the imagination. If Israel had 20% as a limit they would be expelling Arabs citizens, not encouraging more.
If the leaders of the West Bank or Gaza ever approach Israel about a one state solution then you could talk. In reality one of the two governments openly vows to destroy Israel and dispose of the Jewish population and the other has turned down repeated offers of a state.
A jewish state doesn't protect palestinians in the west bank from settlers violence.
Palestinians in the West Bank aren't in a Jewish state. But basically you are agreeing that there is no viable one state solution, you are claiming it won't protect the rights of whichever group is the minority.
We can stop here, while we disagree on many things, you have just agreed a one state solution isn't viable.
Israel isn't a democracy because most of arabs who live under Israeli control don't have the right for voting.
Again you are too stupid to understand that occupied territory is not Israeli territory. All you do with these posts is prove you are an idiot. Every Arab in Israel has full voting rights.
A non citizen isn't an argument because this is not a foreign territory where Israel doesn't exercise any control, it's under Israeli Control.
Under Israeli control doesn't mean part of Israel you blithering idiot.
Recall that your video clip is from almost 40 years ago.
The core of Netanyahu's argument really hasn't changed much since then. Since then some details have changed. GoWest is just fundamentally dishonest and misrepresented what Netanyahu said.
40 years ago he said he opposed a PLO state because it would dedicate itself to attacking Israel, and suggested the Arabs of the west bank and their land mostly become Jordanian.
Today he says he opposes a Hamas state because it would devote itself to attacking Israel, and while he hasn't directly stated Jordan should take over parts if the West bank there are certainly current Likud position papers that do say that.
It is simply dishonest to describe that position as support for a one state solution. In fact, Netanyahu had moderated his position since then since he now accepts a two state solution in principle, just not based on the current Palestinian political establishment.
Some Palestinian leaders already starting to consider this solution.
Abbas is thinking about the option of dissolving the Palestinian authority if he fails to achieve an independent state and hand over the civilian control to Israeli government.
And what do you think the outcome would be if Abbas dissolves the PA?
The hand of God will reach down from the sky and force Israel to commit suicide? A mysterious magician from parts unknown will cast a spell magically transforming Israel into a Palestinian state? The UN will write such a stern letter that Israeli leaders throw open the gates and Jews everywhere line up to be shot by gleeful Hamas cadres?
This is what it did in 1948 and the reason why nowadays it continues to deny those refugees deported in 1948 the right to return to their homes.
Another reason is that it's hard for israel to fence the arabs in east Jerusalem like it does with the ones in the west bank
You were caught telling this lie before. The UN resolution YOU CITED sets out the conditions for their return: conditions the Palestinians have vociferously refused to meet for sixty years.
There aren't many of them left sixty years later but even those few remaining still refuse to adhere to the conditions the UN set for their return
It's till based on ethnicity. Israel doesn't want arabs to exceed 20% to keep it a jewish majority state, so it's ok that a minority gets citizenship and keep the majority stateless so that they don't exceed 20%
Certainly Israel does not want to annex a territory populated by overwhelming numbers of hostile foreigners who are mostly determined to wipe Israel out and turn into an Islamic theocracy.
Duh.
I read your Wikipedia link about military occupation , it says that by definition an occupation is temporary usually few years. Is it the case in the West Bank ? An occupation which is remaining as permanent in the west bank is no longer a military occupation but an apartheid regim
There is no time limit on occupation. We don't need to debate this point though, it has been settled in binding UN resolutions and ICJ hearings. There is no question that the west bank is occupied, it is indisputable fact.
The refugees displaced were Israeli citizens because they lived in Israel the next day after Israel declared its independence.
They are not currently Israeli citizens.
Any newly created state that declares independence is committed to give citizenship to people living on that territory
They weren't.
and Israeli leaders promised the UN before partition that Arabs living in the Jewish state will be given citizenship.
They were.
Anyone born outside Israel from Israeli parents is an Israeli citizen
That is a matter for Israel to determine.
The UN has set out the conditions under which the original refugees could return but the refugees have refused to abide the conditions set by the UN.
Until they do they are not Israeli citizens.