TRUMP WINS

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I'm not saying you're opinion or feelings about immigration are invalid. I am just saying I disagree and don't see overwhelming evidence that the U.S. can sustain the current level. It's not just about the economics. It's also about stress on various communities.
There is nothing to sustain.
I always laugh when people use this word.
"Sustain".
Even illegal immigrants do something to feed themselves.
And what communities exactly are feeling the stress?
What kind of stress?
Where?
Dog whistles are not justifications.
 

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DEI is broadly not popular beyond ideals. Women are generally more supportive.....
Blanket statement (untrue) followed by the obvious.
People of certain political beliefs support DEI. Others dont. Still others do to a certain extent.
Yes women are more concerned about women's rights. Promoting women's rights are a part of DEI initiatives.
LGBTQ people are more concerned about LGBTQ rights. Promoting LGBTQ rights are a part of DEI initiatives.
POC are more concerned with......you get the general idea.
What new point are you making?
 
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There are a few members who come here and tell people what Americans think. They will routinely get upset and argue with the messenger (often me) when I say this is what we think.
So by virtue of being an American, you claim to know what Americans "think"??
If you are referring to these so called unbiased polls, please do link them.
I did not tell you what American's think.
I said Americans generally dont have a clue about immigration.
They only know talking points fed to them by their favourite politician on TV.
Ask them anything about any immigration program they wont know details.
 

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This is an indictment of the Democratic Party, not Trump.

Trump voters voted against the things he mentioned.

Present day Democrats are the neocons that he's talking about in this video.

They're the party of war (Cheney says hi), of identity politics (pitting race, gender before all else to divide people), of corporate breaks, donors, kickbacks (why do you think Apple, Silicon Valley, and most of the other multinational corporations support Democrats?).

This anti-Trump tweet actually applies to Harris. The tweeter just doesn't understand the game and the players very well.
 
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This is an indictment on the Democratic Party, not Trump.

Present day Democrats are the neocons that he's talking about in this video.

They're the party of war (Cheney says hi), of identity politics (pitting race, gender before all else to divide people), of corporate breaks, donors, kickbacks (why do you think Apple, Silicon Valley, and most of the other multinational corporations support Democrats?).

This anti-Trump tweet actually applies to Harris. The tweeter just doesn't understand the concepts.
Liz Cheney definitely hurt Harris.
 

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That is what the left wing said about a far right guy like Trump in 2016.
Until he won.
I consider the 'too far left' argument against Sanders to be bullshit.

The difference is that Trump isn't far-right and never has been. Common sense is considered far right.

Trump being far right is a silly media created myth. I remember when Joe Rogan was supposedly alt-right. Is that still a thing for the world's top podcaster, or did that fake label die a couple years back?

Trump is closer to an actual Democrat than any Democrat that has run for office for about 20 years. Trump is a less eloquent more brazen version of Bill Clinton.

Sanders is too far left in a traditional sense. He likes commie economic policies but I don't think he's a fan of the newer even more socially radical form of leftism that includes school girls sharing washrooms with naked men.

So he's not cool enough to clinch the blue-haired pansexual pronoun vote.
 
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