Israel at war

[shack]

Who's here taking you seriously ?

Not these people. Geno has no credibility and is TERB's ongoing joke. In just the last week, these people have spoken out, in some form, against Geno's lies, racism and hate speech:

Whynot888
Bucksnort
Leimonis
GerryB
Mitchell
Phil C. McNasty
Andreiboris
Mandrill
GoodboyT
SchlongConnery
NotADcotor
richaceg
Gameboy27
BasketcaseButler1000canada-man
wyzemc2
princekwekua
Uwauwa
Vinson
jSanchez
Conil
Me

He claims there's only 4 people against him. This is just from a few threads and only the last 7 days.
There are many more than just this list.

Geno's only reason for being here is to foment discord by spewing hate speech. He provides nothing of benefit to TERB.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Not really.

Before the Brits took over in 1919, the Palestinians were just generic Arab underlings of the Ottoman Turks, just like the Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi and Jordanian Arabs. It was the Brits who named and created Palestine - which then included Jordan. The Brits did that, just so they could draw a line on the map and separate British "Palestine" from French "Syria". Both were artificial concepts.

They were called Mandatory Palestine as that label existed from ancient times. The label applied to all religions of people there including Jews. After 1948 it has applied only to Muslims and Christians. Even if you consider the origins of the identity to be 1964 when the PLO was formed, its still been 3 generations of people?

 

[mandrill]

They were called Mandatory Palestine as that label existed from ancient times. The label applied to all religions of people there including Jews. After 1948 it has applied only to Muslims and Christians.

It was a name on a map in a textbook in the UK.

That's why the British used it. It had no reality for the inhabitants.

 

[Frankfooter]

Not these people. Geno has no credibility and is TERB's ongoing joke. In just the last week, these people have spoken out, in some form, against Geno's lies, racism and hate speech:

Whynot888
Bucksnort
Leimonis
GerryB
Mitchell
Phil C. McNasty
Andreiboris
Mandrill
GoodboyT
SchlongConnery
NotADcotor
richaceg
Gameboy27
BasketcaseButler1000canada-man
wyzemc2
princekwekua
Uwauwa
Vinson
jSanchez
Conil
Me

He claims there's only 4 people against him. This is just from a few threads and only the last 7 days.
There are many more than just this list.

Geno's only reason for being here is to foment discord by spewing hate speech. He provides nothing of benefit to TERB.

Most of those are you, Shazi. Your computer skills are pretty shitty.
7pm at the Israeli embassy tonight for a protest.
You gonna show up or are you scheduled to change your depends then?

Think you can get 35,000 from terb to show up?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842734651191828856

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843416270235910290

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It was a name on a map in a textbook in the UK.

That's why the British used it. It had no reality for the inhabitants.

As I said, even if that identity was conjured up only in 64', it is very real today. For any way forward, that is all that matters.

 

[shack]

Maybe we can agree on 1964 when the PLO was formed? Which makes for atleast 3 generations of Palestinians.

So it means that Jews have been indigenous to the area for thousands of years versus only 3 generations for the Palestinians.

 

[GerryB]

Sure it was ancestral.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843250461518057780

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So it means that Jews have been indigenous to the area for thousands of years versus only 3 generations for the Palestinians.

The people have been indigeneous for 1000s of years. You may say they have adopted a new identity only for 3 generations or argue that their identity is atleast as old as their ancestry. Does the distinction matter for the future when it is accepted by even the parties in conflict that the other identity exists?

 

[shack]

I disagree, genocide is more radical than a call for viping out Israel.

Unfortunately the death of 20,000 Gazans as casualties of war (the other 20,000 are active Hamas fighters) is not genocide.

 

[danmand]

It was a name on a map in a textbook in the UK.

That's why the British used it. It had no reality for the inhabitants.

The Palestine pound (Arabic: جُنَيْه فِلَسْطَينِيّ, junayh filastini; Hebrew: פוּנְט פַּלֶשְׂתִינָאִי (א״י), romanized: funt palestina'i (eretz-yisra'eli) or Hebrew: לירה (א״י), romanized: lira eretz-yisra'elit; Sign: £P[1][2][improper synthesis?]) was the currency of the British Mandate of Palestine from 1 November 1927 to 14 May 1948, and of the State of Israel between 15 May 1948 and 23 June 1952, when it was replaced with the Israeli pound.

 

[shack]

But as we discussed the Palestinian label and identity predates the conflict, or even Israel's formation.

You earlier suggested 3 generations ago in 1964. The goalposts seem to have moved.

 

[danmand]

Mandatory Palestine passports were travel documents issued by British authorities in Mandatory Palestine to residents between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the issue of the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were issued.[1]

Mandatory Palestine passport
The front cover of a Mandatory Palestine passport

 

[Frankfooter]

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Immaterial to the zionist declaration that they were going to colonize Palestine.

 

[Frankfooter]

Unfortunately the death of 20,000 Gazans as casualties of war (the other 20,000 are active Hamas fighters) is not genocide.

Your opinion is worthless.
Charges have been submitted to the ICC and ICJ over Israel's killing of between 100,000 to 300,000 Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843382666697289998

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You earlier suggested 3 generations ago in 1964. The goalposts seem to have moved.

I apologize, I should have clarified. I personally consider the label to predate Israel's formation. But if you protest, I will agree, as I did with Leimonis, for the sake of our discussion that the identity was conceived with the formation of the PLO in 1964. I dont see either position as weakening the fact that today the Palestinian identity is very real.

 

[mandrill]

As I said, even if that identity was conjured up only in 64', it is very real today. For any way forward, that is all that matters.

I would dispute that.

The idea of patriotic nationhood is exploited because it is familiar to westerners. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are far more absorbed in their religious identity than any idea of being a citizen of countries they probably don't even admit should exits - because of course everything should be the Blessed Caliphate of Islam.

 

[mandrill]

Mandatory Palestine passports were travel documents issued by British authorities in Mandatory Palestine to residents between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the issue of the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were issued.[1]

Mandatory Palestine passport
The front cover of a Mandatory Palestine passport

That's my point, Dandy.

The British invented the concept of "Palestine".

 

[GerryB]

Immaterial to the zionist declaration that they were going to colonize Palestine.

poor choice of words....as return to ancestral land is not colonizing
but if you so insist that it is what governmental entity those "colonizers"
represented ? Who's colony did they establish ?

 

[Frankfooter]

I would dispute that.

The idea of patriotic nationhood is exploited because it is familiar to westerners. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are far more absorbed in their religious identity than any idea of being a citizen of countries they probably don't even admit should exits - because of course everything should be the Blessed Caliphate of Islam.

I would dispute that.
Hamas and Hezbollah both were created in response to Israeli aggressions.
They weren't started through religion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843217026069954612

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I would dispute that.

The idea of patriotic nationhood is exploited because it is familiar to westerners. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are far more absorbed in their religious identity than any idea of being a citizen of countries they probably don't even admit should exits - because of course everything should be the Blessed Caliphate of Islam.

The 3 H's are terror groups and are not representative of the average Palestinian. The average Palestinian does hold the identity of a Palestinian today.