Israel at war

danmand

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Absolutely and manifestly wrong.
Israelis gave gaza back to Gazans almost 20 years ago. Israel forcefully removed their citizens from gaza at the time. Gazans could have built Singapore but they chose to build terror tunnels.
And by the way, next you will claim that Canada gave the Millhaven Institution to the inmates.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Israel is not blameless. But its position is not anywhere near as radical as a call for wiping out israel “from the river to the sea”.
There are radical forces on both sides who use such language. Netanyahu's cabinet is made up some of those radicals on the Israeli side.
 

shack

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See above. This article and its writer have no credibility. Its one guy maintaining a website with a few articles. None of the contributors are credentialed. Credentials are important.
So it should be easy to provide facts as how meritless the theory is.

All you've got is "shoot the messenger". Your debating skills are as weak as Geno's.
 

danmand

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Israel is not blameless. But its position is not anywhere near as radical as a call for wiping out israel “from the river to the sea”.
I disagree, genocide is more radical than a call for viping out Israel.
 
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Leimonis

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There are radical forces on both sides who use such language. Netanyahu's cabinet is made up some of those radicals on the Israeli side.
Some radicals in israel use this language versus the entire pro Palestinian movement and their supporters including all the shithole countries and western useful idiots use this language.
 

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So it should be easy to provide facts as how meritless the theory is.

All you've got is "shoot the messenger". Your debating skills are as weak as Geno's.
Perhaps. Perhaps my debating skills are not as strong as yours. But I am not debating. The discussion is whether the Palestinian identity is valid today. Which it is. Without it we wouldn't have a Israeli Palestinian conflict.
 
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Some radicals in israel use this language versus the entire pro Palestinian movement and their supporters including all the shithole countries and western useful idiots use this language.

When you call 124 of the world's countries 'shithole countries' and then declare you can't be neighbours with any Muslim countries, you really should be looking at yourself.

 
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Leimonis

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Perhaps. Perhaps my debating skills are not as strong as yours. But I am not debating. The discussion is whether the Palestinian identity is valid today. Which it is. Without it we wouldn't have a Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Their identity exists, but it exists in conjunction with the conflict. If israel somehow relocated to Texas and the entire Palestine was left to arabs and if big players like Iran stopped fueling the issue, they would quickly forget their Palestinian identity and started to happily kill each other based on new issues, tribal and religious and whatever else. In fact Hezbollah and Hamas probably would divide the land.
 
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Frankfooter

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Their identity exists with the conflict. If israel somehow relocated to Texas and the entire Palestine was left to arabs and if big players like Iran stopped fueling the issue, they would quickly forget their Palestinian identity and started to happily kill each other based on new issues, tribal and religious and whatever else.

That's hate speech, you're back to slandering an entire people.


 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Their identity exists, but it exists in conjunction with the conflict. If israel somehow relocated to Texas and the entire Palestine was left to arabs and if big players like Iran stopped fueling the issue, they would quickly forget their Palestinian identity and started to happily kill each other based on new issues, tribal and religious and whatever else.
But as we discussed the Palestinian label and identity predates the conflict, or even Israel's formation.
 

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But as we discussed the Palestinian label and identity predates the conflict, or even Israel's formation.
Not really.

Before the Brits took over in 1919, the Palestinians were just generic Arab underlings of the Ottoman Turks, just like the Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi and Jordanian Arabs. It was the Brits who named and created Palestine - which then included Jordan. The Brits did that, just so they could draw a line on the map and separate British "Palestine" from French "Syria". Both were artificial concepts.
 
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