Sure, and rump really represents Jewish interests too
Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures
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Sure, and rump really represents Jewish interests too
If they want to target Jews that's in direct conflict in Gaza, they should be shipped there so they will find out. A bunch of cowards who does nothing but target civilians who doesn't have anything to do with the conflict....no surrpise they support Hamas....
Incorrect.
You are mistaken.
The problem is that you think this can be imposed from the outside.
Outside of the US invading and setting up a puppet regime, how do you expect this to happen other than a long, slow, painful process when both sides are rejecting the solution you prefer?
Both of which have been incredibly difficult and fraught.
You're the one who brought it up and used it.
I also think it is a bad qualifier, which is why I objected to it.
They are all somewhat unclear, although a truce tends to be less formal than a cease-fire.
That's fine that you think there are strategic compromises involved in any cessation of hostilities, I completely agree.
I objected you to saying that one you didn't agree with wasn't "real".
You are, of course, completely wrong about that.
It would be good to produce that poll.
I suspect polling in a war zone is incredibly difficult.
Feel free to find the posts and prove it, valcazar.
I'd apologize and accept you were right if you can do it.
But I know you copy and pasted an image of the discussion of the charges and did not accept that the provisional measures were the the conclusions.
I believe you quoted from something in section IV, and not the conclusions in section VI of the ruling.
IIRC, you were arguing that the ICJ ruling gave demands to Hamas and not to Israel, and that you used a copy and pasted image from chapter IV or V and either intentionally ignored or were ignorant about chapter VI and the import of the provisional measures.
IV THE RIGHTS WHOSE PROTECTION IS SOUGHT AND THE LINK BETWEEN SUCH RIGHTS AND THE MEASURES REQUESTED
VI CONCLUSION AND MEASURES TO BE ADOPTED
I'm correct in this case, Israel was ordered through the provisional measures to not commit genocide, to prevent killing Palestinians in Gaza, to allow all aid through and to charge all those who incite genocide by the ICJ. You ignored paragraphs 75-84, whether intentionally or not, and refused to consider them until I posted them directly here.
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf
At worst it will happen as it did for South Africa, through boycotts and sanctions, as Canada has started with weapons. At best the US won't veto the next UNSC call for a ceasefire on Monday, Biden will stop Netanyahu from invading Rafah and the ICC and ICJ will follow through with agonizingly slow charges of genocide and war crimes.
And this one will be even harder, I expect.
Can you articulate another path towards peace that would be less painful?
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The problem is that you think this can be imposed from the outside.
Outside of the US invading and setting up a puppet regime, how do you expect this to happen other than a long, slow, painful process when both sides are rejecting the solution you prefer?
Just stop supplying them with weapons and ammunition, is Israel in danger if they pull back to concentrate on the defense they screwed up on?
Both of which have been incredibly difficult and fraught.
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No shit there!!!
Outside of the US invading and setting up a puppet regime, how do you expect this to happen other than a long, slow, painful process when both sides are rejecting the solution you prefer?
Just stop supplying them with weapons and ammunition, is Israel in danger if they pull back to concentrate on the defense they screwed up on?
Both of which have been incredibly difficult and fraught.
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No shit there!!!
That's your opinion.
I think its a fair description of a proposal that was an attempt to implement a temporary pause in the fighting designed only to force Hamas to return the hostages. It had similar issues to the latest resolution that Russia and China vetoed on Friday.
Would like to do a comparison of the US resolution and the one France will submit on Monday for a vote at the UNSC?
I'm expecting that a 'real' call for a ceasefire will result in a fourth US veto, but Biden's support is starting to waver a tiny bit so there is a tiny chance they let it pass.
Fine, you've objected.
Noted.
Noted, I brought it up first.
I'll admit I was wrong about that.
After you admit you were wrong (or prove me wrong) about the ICJ ruling I'm open to discussing that one.
What a surprise that you endorse claims about Jews and their money controlling politicians.
At least you're being honest in this thread and admitting your issue is with Jews, not "zionists".
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Most of the people Hamas has demanded the release of are CONVICTED and sentenced to life sentences for murder. It says a lot about respect for life that you and Hamas think 40 elderly and sick Jews are worth 1000 Palestinians.
You're still making excuses for hamas to reject a ceasefire.
Frank is an elitist clown who keeps demanding that Palestinians be forced into becoming Israeli even though they overwhelmingly hate the idea and the Palestinians with the guns refuse the concept.
He sees himself as the white saviour Palestinians need to tell them what to do because he thinks they are incapable of making their own decisions.
What a surprise that you attack Jews who are against lobbying the US on behalf of Likud.
How does Israel having to continually defend their people from Hamas and the rest solve anything? Do you think there is any possibility that Iran (and Qatar) will stop sending money and arms to anti-Israel groups like Hamas, PIJ, or Hezbollah?
The Israeli military court system is an apartheid venture with a 99.9% rate of finding guilt.