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roddermac

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Ummm, showing your true colours is what authentic means. You're not pretending to be someone that you're not.
He's was pretending to be something he wasn't. Getting screwed by the Democrats then backing Hilary soon after exposed him.
 

richaceg

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You realize that's nonsense, huh?

Exactly the same immigration system - with legislated asylum claim procedures - has been in place under both GOP and DEM adminstrations, since Eisenhower put it in place in the 1950's.....

And no. Illegal immigrants can't vote. And they don't become citizens within 4 years.

Probably the dummest post I've ever read.
Was there an influx of illegal immigrants during Trump? No. Different.
 

mandrill

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Was there an influx of illegal immigrants during Trump? No. Different.
Yes. And during every president before him back to the 1950's. The difference is that the right wing media simply doesn't report on it when a rightie administration is in power, except as an occasional scare story.

Go read and stop posting horseshit.
 
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mandrill

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You know Johnny Carson steered clear of politics for a reason...This guy like his party of choice just can't figure it out.
Johnny Carson is truly a role model and an arbiter of excellence for the ages, Orry.
 

mandrill

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Give it a couple of months, for it to sink in lol.
It won't sink in. Klatoo and Frankie will still believe that they "won" the 2024 election when Trump is giving the Israelis F-35's and an unlimited supply of munitions to hit Iran in a few months time.
 
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mandrill

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This is what REALLY went wrong for Kamala...... THE AMISH VOTED TRUMP!!!

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richaceg

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Yes. And during every president before him back to the 1950's. The difference is that the right wing media simply doesn't report on it when a rightie administration is in power, except as an occasional scare story.

Go read and stop posting horseshit.
Are the numbers the same? Be honest.
 

Conil

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What went wrong? The prices of food, gas, rent went up like crazy like here. They don't give a shit of wokeness. This is why Trudeau is next.
 

richaceg

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Yes actually.
Trump massively reduced legal immigration.
But failed to do anything about illegal immigration.
The Obama era saw a lot more removals than Trump.
Here is a report.
Nice try but teump was already slowing down illegal immigration and covid happened..then Biden kamala happened...and it got 10x overdrive.
 
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Frank Fingers

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It’s not that millions of people didn’t vote this time around. Many of them still voted however they used their brains this time and voted for Trump! They voted against the corrupt, woke-leftist liberal agenda.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Nice try but teump was already slowing down illegal immigration and covid happened..then Biden kamala happened...and it got 10x overdrive.
The numbers are in the report I posted.
It clearly shows that he most definitely did not.
If he did, it was very marginal.
Here are two pics from the report.
Removals were at an all time high during the Obama era. (He was called "deporter in chief")
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Illegal immigrant population marginally decreased during Trump's term.
It went from 11,300,706 to 10,930,420. A decrease of 370,286. Now it is back to 11M. So not any substantial change.
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JohnLarue

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The numbers are in the report I posted.
It clearly shows that he most definitely did not.
If he did, it was very marginal.
Here are two pics from the report.
Removals were at an all time high during the Obama era. (He was called "deporter in chief")
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Illegal immigrant population marginally decreased during Trump's term.
It went from 11,300,706 to 10,930,420. A decrease of 370,286. Now it is back to 11M. So not any substantial change.
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do you honestly believe that anyone has accurate data on the number of illegal immigrants in the USA ?
people who do illegal activities generally do not rush to declare themselves as such
the real number could be 1.5x or 2x what your little graph shows


6 million people have emigrated from the socialist mess in Venezuela alone
it is no secret where most of these people wanted to go
and

In the last decade, the number of international migrants has increased by 60 million
Following the regional trend, migration flows from the North of Central America -El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua-, have also intensified in the past ten years. Around 3.8 million people from those countries were living in the United States in 2021: 40 percent were from El Salvador, 32 percent from Guatemala, 21 percent from Honduras, and 7 percent from Nicaragua.

and that does not include the constant illegal immigration of Mexicans

pretending the was no change in the number of illegal immigrants during Bidens administration is naive at best, but more likely just disingenuous

removals are also likely more a function of how efficient the bureaucracy is at processing cases (that can take years) rather than who is in the white house.at the time of removal
removals in Obamas administration will be influenced by the policy implementations of Bush's administration and
removals in Trumps administration will be influenced by the policy implementations of Obamas administration
and so on

It clearly shows that he most definitely did not.
there is no clear cut clarity about what you have presented

If he did, it was very marginal.

describing changes at the margin are only applicable when you have real tight, accurate and verifiable data, which you do not have
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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do you honestly believe that anyone has accurate data on the number of illegal immigrants in the USA ?
people who do illegal activities generally do not declare themselves as such
the real number could be 2x or 3x what your little graph shows
We have to go with what we have.
They use some estimation techniques.
You cannot assume 2X or 3X or 4X on a whim.
Here is an article from Pew.
 

JohnLarue

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We have to go with what we have.
They use some estimation techniques.
You cannot assume 2X or 3X or 4X on a whim.
Here is an article from Pew.


ha ha
"we go with what we have"
what you have is a guess

people who do illegal activities generally do not rush to declare themselves as such
a child could determine human behaviour dictates your guess is understated

what you have is a guess
You cannot assume 2X or 3X or 4X on a whim.
but you reject a different guess ... on a whim

the real goofy part is how you applied a very definitive confidence to what is a guess

It clearly shows that he most definitely did not.
If he did, it was very marginal.

your conclusions are invalid

illegal immigration is a problem, it has become worse and needs to be addressed
this is vey definitive and accurate
 

drewstar

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It’s not that millions of people didn’t vote this time around. Many of them still voted however they used their brains this time and voted for Trump! They voted against the corrupt, woke-leftist liberal agenda.

Interesting outlier 2020 was - gee I wonder why. They tried again this time but they were watched like a hawk and the movement was bigger this time.
 

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