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JohnLarue

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Both are populists.
Bernie was more real and authentic than Hillary or Kamala.
Many Sanders voters eventually became Trump voters.
???

one would be hard pressed to pick two candidates who are greater polar political opposites than Trump vs Sanders
on the surface Bernie seems to be a decent / compassionate man, who would create an economic disaster (socialists / commies do that)
Bernie is more real and authentic than the two faced elitist Hillary or the empty suit / plastic / word salad spewing Kamala. You are correct on this one point
Nice guy, however does not have an economic clue
Trump has an offensive/ abrasive personality, who is pro business and will drive economic growth

voters generally do not switch from socialist / commie to pro business
socialist / commies tend to go berserk at the mere mention of Trumps name, they hate and despise the rich/ business and by nature are idealists rather than pragmatic or practical
socialist / commies also tend to be lifers void of the ability to compromise or learn from the past

are you convinced a whole generation of misguided socialists/ commies gained maturity and economic wisdom in eight years ?
i do not think so
 
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JohnLarue

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Bruce and J Low sabotaged Harris's campaign. Free Puffy.

every time i read one of your posts , I wind up scratching my head thinking WTF is this guy taking about?
i do not know who Bruce, puffy or J Low are ( Jennifer Lopez???)
it seems like you are telling insider jokes with yourself

they might be hilariously funny and entertaining jokes... if they were communicated properly
 

Skoob

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Oh please.. tax breaks to keep producing in the US will help Americans...what has Joe and kamala done?
If you haven't noticed...the new "Reason to Hate Trump if you're Canadian" is this impending doom about tariffs.

Just ignore it...everything else they tried failed and they're trying to find new things to scare people with.

We should be more concerned about all the celebrities that are threatening to leave the US. Lol!
 

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Yet in the 2020 election 11 million more people decided to not stay at home and vote Trump at the same time that 15 million more people came out to vote for Biden but wouldn't do the same for Hilary.

Exactly.
In 2020 it was Hitler vs the old establishment guy.
In 2024 it was 100% Hitler vs 99% Hitler and 15 million dems just couldn't vote for any kind of a Hitler.

The dems that stood against the genocide did well.

 

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one would be hard pressed to pick two candidates who are greater polar political opposites than Trump vs Sanders
They are polar opposites.
That is why Bernie would be a good counter to Trump.
One is a left wing populist and the other a right wing populist.
Trump is not pro-business.
Pro-business would mean he would encourage profits over people.
He wants tariffs instead.
Which will make everything expensive for the manufacturer and the consumer.
He is a protectionist.
So he is not an economic genius either.
Bernie proposes more public spending (particularly healthcare) and taxation of corporations.
I support that, but beyond a line it may also not be economically sound to do so.
So the similarity is that both of their messaging is for the working class and the middle class.
Both reject the elites and challenge the establishment.
That messaging will resonate.
That is certainly more substantive than the vapid and performative messaging that the Dems currently resort to.
This is not a rejection of the left as you put it.
Going by that rule 2020 was a rejection of the right. (No I dont believe in the coo coo for coco puffs election fraud conspiracy theory. Biden won fair and square).
This has more to do with messaging that directly addresses the economy and everyday problems people face.
The democrats currently are disconnected from this.
 
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Exactly.
In 2020 it was Hitler vs the old establishment guy.
In 2024 it was 100% Hitler vs 99% Hitler and 15 million dems just couldn't vote for any kind of a Hitler.

The dems that stood against the genocide did well.


Whoa, Arab American voters voted for one of their own? Crazy if true. In other news, you need new material. Were there tons of Arab voters in NC, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too?
 

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Whoa, Arab American voters voted for one of their own? Crazy if true. In other news, you need new material. Were there tons of Arab voters in NC, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too?
No use talking to Frankfooter about this election.
It is his tactic turning every thread into an Israel thread.
He will keep pushing his little theory that Americans voted Harris out because of Gaza.
Americans couldn't give a shit about Gaza.
Except for a tiny minority.
 

Frankfooter

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Whoa, Arab American voters voted for one of their own? Crazy if true. In other news, you need new material. Were there tons of Arab voters in NC, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too?

15 million people who voted for Biden didn't vote at all this time.
Abandon Harris and people that just couldn't cross the red line of voting for genocide.
 

Frankfooter

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No use talking to Frankfooter about this election.
It is his tactic turning every thread into an Israel thread.
He will keep pushing his little theory that Americans voted Harris out because of Gaza.
Americans couldn't give a shit about Gaza.
Except for a tiny minority.

That tiny minority was all it took.
5 million for Stein and who knows how many of the 15 million dem voters who stayed home.
 
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No use talking to Frankfooter about this election.
He will keep pushing his little theory that Americans voted Harris out because of Gaza.
Americans couldn't give a shit about Gaza.
Except for a tiny minority.

If I cared more, I'd rip him more often. But that's not why I come to this site.
15 million people who voted for Biden didn't vote at all this time.
Abandon Harris and people that just couldn't cross the red line of voting for genocide.

they stayed home because Harris was an empty suit and they didn't buy her or what she was selling, but go ahead and continue to feed your narrative.
 

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Exactly.
In 2020 it was Hitler vs the old establishment guy.
In 2024 it was 100% Hitler vs 99% Hitler and 15 million dems just couldn't vote for any kind of a Hitler.

The dems that stood against the genocide did well.

Those 15 millions Dem voters aren't around anymore. You should ask yourself why that is because it has nothing to do with Hitler. Nothing does. Suck it up liberal.
 

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every time i read one of your posts , I wind up scratching my head thinking WTF is this guy taking about?
i do not know who Bruce, puffy or J Low are ( Jennifer Lopez???)
it seems like you are telling insider jokes with yourself

they might be hilariously funny and entertaining jokes... if they were communicated properly

It's not a joke Johnny, hypocritical celebrities and post - Covid inflation did the Harris campaign in.

Ricky Gervais speaks truth to power.

 

JohnLarue

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They are polar opposites.
That is why Bernie would be a good counter to Trump.

but you stated trump was a substitute for Bernie
Many Sanders voters eventually became Trump voters.


Trump is not pro-business.
Pro-business would mean he would encourage profits over people.

you do not have a clue what you are talking about

He wants tariffs instead.
Which will make everything expensive for the manufacturer and the consumer.
He is a protectionist.

he is pro business, just USA centric


So he is not an economic genius either.
I never claimed he was an economic genius
standing next to Bernie he is

Bernie proposes more public spending (particularly healthcare) and taxation of corporations.
I support that, but beyond a line it may also not be economically sound to do so.

the problem is your lot can never get that line / balance right
increased public spending after a a never ending string of deficits and a now unsustainable debt burden is extremely irresponsible and stupid

neither Trump nor Harris were willing to address the debt bomb
the difference is who is spending the money Harris - more inefficient wasteful govt money going into green energy money pits
Trump will leave the money in the far more efficient private sector via tax cuts

Bernie?
he would just ensure the debt bomb explodes sooner


So the similarity is that both of their messaging is for the working class and the middle class.
Both reject the elites and challenge the establishment.

Sanders rejects the status quo because govt intrusion into peoples live is insufficient in his view
Trump rejects the status quo because govt has become an inefficient quagmire of piggies at the trough, who would regulate the economy to a grinding halt

That messaging will resonate.
That is certainly more substantive than the vapid and performative messaging that the Dems currently resort to.
This is not a rejection of the left as you put it.

it most certainly is
the democrats drove inflation not seen for a generation
inflation is political suicide for the incumbent party

if Trump does not get the govt spending / inflation under control , the republicans will suffer the same fate 4 years from now
that is irrelevant to Trump, who has satisfied his ego with this win


Going by that rule 2020 was a rejection of the right. (No I dont believe in the coo coo for coco puffs election fraud conspiracy theory. Biden won fair and square).

i will not go down the road of election fraud theories . that is a never ending unresolvable / quagmire
the number of votes cast in 2020 does raise an eyebrow though

2020 was not a rejection of the right. it was the perceived slow response to the pandemic that screwed Trump
A pandemic which in hindsight was a nothing burger with massive economic cost which will still need to be paid for

This has more to do with messaging that directly addresses the economy and everyday problems people face.
The democrats currently are disconnected from this.
that's why they lost , they got rejected for leaning too far left and driving inflation
and Bernie Sanders is definitely not the fix for that problem

Had the democrats fielded a level headed candidate who rejected the loonie left, they could have defeated the off putting repulsive personality of Trump
 
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Also Kamala got less female votes than Hillary or Biden


Maybe female voters were wary of giving power to a woman who is
known to have slept with a much older man to advance her career.
Many women have husbands working with attractive younger female
subordinates.
 

JohnLarue

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It's not a joke Johnny, hypocritical celebrities and post - Covid inflation did the Harris campaign in.

Ricky Gervais speaks truth to power.


i still do not know who Bruce, puffy or J Low are ( Jennifer Lopez???)
you really do need to review via the readers lens, what you have posted

it was not covid inflation
it was governments printing massive amounts of money thinking that was the correct response to covid
and they used each other's irresponsible money printing to justify their own irresponsible money printing

big mistake, as the left leaning world leaders at the time are each getting destroyed in elections because of the inflation they created
 

Frankfooter

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they stayed home because Harris was an empty suit and they didn't buy her or what she was selling, but go ahead and continue to feed your narrative.

Harris had protesters follow her throughout her campaign.
Palestine protests were the most massive protests since BLM.

Its idiotic that you don't think it affected people's voting.