New Toronto Casino - anyone else go tonight to check it out?

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Vegas has been like this for years. And steadily expanded to where the Strip its most tables now. Same with adding 00 and even 000 to roulette tables. And comps becoming non existing for low tier players.

The casinos have pretty much admitted they are planning to chase the lower tier visitors off the strip outright. They want to become a destination city by adding the sports teams, Grand Prix, the new concert venue and more.
I agree with this - well said.

The older Casinos of Vegas around Freemont street were holding onto lower limits at 3:2 but my last trip there I saw some of them moving over to 6:5 as well. It's fun to go to the old casinos for a night on a trip but rather stay on the strip. Bellagio was my best experience last time, plenty of tables going day and night, $25 with 3:2 and some decent eye candy on the weekend walking by while you play.
 

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Thank you for sharing. Outside of Vegas, where do you find poker tournaments closer to home?
i think Casino Caesers in Windsor has dailies but im not driving from toronto to play..i have no doubt that the structure is fast..and soon becomes an all in fest....myself? i attend a couple of home games where i know everbody..but these "poker clubs" in TO maybe too sketchy for me
 
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You can't compare home games with the same group of people to live poker in a casino poker room. There's value in a casino providing security and keeping the game fair and catching cheats as well as bringing in players. Plus, the atmosphere and being able to play with different people each and every time you sit down at a table providing variety and new challenges.
 

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You can't compare home games with the same group of people to live poker in a casino poker room. There's value in a casino providing security and keeping the game fair and catching cheats as well as bringing in players. Plus, the atmosphere and being able to play with different people each and every time you sit down at a table providing variety and new challenges.
i dont think that i compared home games to casino poker...did i?..............i was lamenting the lack of poker being available at casinos....so the occasional home games and internet poker will have to do
 

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i dont think that i compared home games to casino poker...did i?..............i was lamenting the lack of poker being available at casinos....so the occasional home games and internet poker will have to do
No, you didn't but it is more my view of home games vs a casino poker room or an underground for that matter. I would never play in an underground for all the reasons I mentioned. Security, cheating, and lack of variety in players. Home games would more be a reason to get together with the buddies.
 

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No, you didn't but it is more my view of home games vs a casino poker room or an underground for that matter. I would never play in an underground for all the reasons I mentioned. Security, cheating, and lack of variety in players. Home games would more be a reason to get together with the buddies.
years and years ago..there was a poker tournament hosted every 2 weeks in an industrial mall.. in Mississauga ...cant recall
exactly where..anyway it usually attracted 4/5 tables,,i attended a few...then 2 weeks after my last visit..it was raided ..lol.........dodged a bullit there...
 
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wanna try my luck too. I like to play casino games online. Esp I like sweet bonanza slot at ilucky casino. There are many cool games on every taste and they are so entertaining. Last time I won 50$, now I want to improve my gambling skills and win a jackpot one day. Wish me a good luck! Slot games are my favorites
 
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I heard from some guy in the poker room at Rama that there is a poker room planned at Great Canadian for August.

I understand (but hate) the lack of urgency in setting up their poker room, if it ever happens. Poker is not a big money maker like slots or table games. You aren’t playing against the house. Sure there’s a rake for cash games and they scrape a cut from tourney reg. fees but that’s nothing to the other $$ generators.
 

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I heard from some guy in the poker room at Rama that there is a poker room planned at Great Canadian for August.

I understand (but hate) the lack of urgency in setting up their poker room, if it ever happens. Poker is not a big money maker like slots or table games. You aren’t playing against the house. Sure there’s a rake for cash games and they scrape a cut from tourney reg. fees but that’s nothing to the other $$ generators.

Thanks Wappa. Next time I go I will be looking for the area that could be holding the poker room out of curiosity now.
 

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I got to visit the 'new' casino last night, which really is the new 'wing' of the Woodbine location. I will share my notes below.

Casino Toronto

Signage/Roadway to the building - 5/10
Total lack of clear signage. Easy mistake is to park in the original flat/open parking of Woodbine and end up walking 2km to the new wing of the property aka 'Casino Toronto'. I made this mistake on my quick first tour 2 weeks ago. No improvement to the signage, not even a 'new parking over here' for example.

Leaving and getting back to the 427 south was a maze of on property roads and streets. Thankfully GPS is updated and knew where to go.

Hopefully they get enough comments from visitors and improve this.

New parking - 3/10
What a fucking gong show. I will lead off with the first 'wtf' I had last night. You come into the 5 level parking structure, turn down the aisle with cars on each side. You then reach a left hand turn you have to make. 1. This is where all the foot traffic getting into the Casino from this level of parking is weaving in out and out of cars. 2. The traffic you are turning against is the main outbound traffic from the parking structure. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Had to wait for the line of outbound cars to allow me to make the left turn through them and it was tight, while trying not to hit someone walking through. This is a total fail.

Parking on a Saturday night was available going on 2 levels. I suspect this will change as I did notice the original Woodbine parking lot was mostly full when I went past it - people don't know the new parking is available or are visiting the old casino instead of the new.

Building, ATM's and sound system - 6/10
Lumping these together. The building is attempt at having a Vegas style 3-4 story high open space but fails to deliver. The parking comes out this tiny little corner of a long hallway with shitty double doors that don't open all the way (another fail) and then it's a bland walk with no decorations or appeal to the casino entrance. More of the same in the actual casino, just overly high ceilings that are mostly black in colour and felt like a converted warehouse not a purpose built new space.

In the casino the sound system in the background sounded like speakers from 10 years ago stuck on a XM Radio station looping generic music choices. Outside the casino entrance they had a DJ setup to fill the empty hallway to the parking and outside doors, playing the latest bumping music to get the people going I suppose. This too was an odd choice.

Lighting is a bright white and felt almost hospital like. Nothing like the softer colors common in Vegas Casinos and elsewhere. I suppose this was done to make the Slot Machines 'pop' as it did...but it was more of the same bright white lighting we have seen in the original Woodbine casino space for those who have been there before.

ATM's were poorly placed, mostly right along main thruways. People would line up in front of them going directly across the thruway forcing you to pass through them repeatedly. Other casinos place the ATMs off in the corners and such to allow space for people to line up in less busy parts of the floor.

The building is new build and nice, for what it is...but a let down when you hear/read about 'how much money they spent' on this new property.

Slot Machines - N/A
I don't play slots but did note the machines are new, bright, often quite tall and impressive. How well they play and payout I will leave to other posters to share.

Blackjack Tables - 5/10
Confirmed 6:5 Blackjack and continuous shuffler for $50 and below. Didn't see any tables below $50 but I may have missed them. Seeing $50 tables at 6:5 with continous was disappointing.

I did come prepared to play $100 tables and hope for the best. 6-8 $100 tables going around 10pm, mostly with solo players playing heads up. I joined a gentleman playing solo, asked if I could join and he welcomed me in. 3:2 Blackjack, hit on Soft 17, Chute with auto shuffle machine, 6 or 8 decks. I'm thinking 6 decks based on the stack height when cutting but didn't ask.

All chips labelled Casino Woodbine. $100 chips at our table were all new, $25's as well. $1000 chips were the old and well used chips from the original casino, at least the few I saw.

Asked about VIP area and was told 'for now' the original 3rd floor space of Woodbine is where VIP tables will be available. No mid-chute entry and bit more private then the open main floor of the new casino. When I asked the gentleman beside told me he went up there first (9pm) and confirmed it was empty, no one playing there, which is what I remember the few times I went there previously.

The dealers didn't have details of a new VIP room. One suggested he heard they may close the original 3rd floor space and renovate it/refresh it which makes sense but time will tell if it brings players into it.

Cashier/Cage - 2/10
After an hour at the table it was time for me to head out. I go looking for the Cashier/Cage and had my next 'WTF' moment. Let me try my best to describe this. Along the far way was this tiny cage with maybe 8 windows total. Worse yet only 3 staff working the windows on a Saturday night. In front of this space was a single rope to form a line behind - no snake of ropes to line up in. The line, which was around 30 people long when I arrived, goes along the far wall behind players sitting at slot machines trying to play.

After a 20+ minute wait I was close to the front of the line. I saw something I never seen before. A server was at the end of their shift and had to wait in line with the customers - to cash out all the chips he had received as tips. At the same time he dumped all his change out to have it counted up, by hand, to be turned into bills. Because I have never seen this before I can speculate that in other casinos they have a back office window for staff to cash out so they don't stand in line with patrons and add to the delay.

Never waited that long before to cash out. It became a bit of entertainment seeing the looks of people faces when they saw the lineup as they approached. Others left to go all the way over into the original casino to cash out at one of those cages and I considered it but estimated by the time I walked there and walked back to the parking entrance I wouldn't save any time.

Other casino's of this size I have seen always had 8-10+ windows open on Saturday nights and some have 2 cages available as well.



Overall it was a decent time and I'm glad I went. Won a few bucks and getting out before the table went cold on me is always a bonus. Driving 15 minutes to Café Atlantis for a couple drinks after was probably the best part of having the new casino addition in the area, lol.
 

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If you are looking for poker in Ontario, the old casino at Niagara falls has it and Rama.
Yeah, Port Perry and Brantford as well. Port Perry has ridiculously high rakes, 10% up to $15 + $1 (bad beat jackpot was around $400K last time I went). Not sure if Brantford is rake or session fee. Windsor has poker, but that's a bit far. Gatineau has poker too, but it's far.

If I'm gonna travel that far, I prefer Playground in Montreal. The rake is a bit high also but the booze (not really a drinker) and food (decent options as well) is free and the eye candy (cocktail waitresses) in there is something to behold. They also have tournaments going daily. The bad beat jackpot is over $2 million right now as well.


I heard from someone at WB that they're getting poker in August. They're just acquiring/training dealers and whatnot. Expect a high rake similar to Port Perry as they're owned by the same company.

Edit. Brantford is also owned by the same company as WB and PP and is 10% rake up to $15.
 
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