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wilbur

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she is leaving it to the courts. which is the same as saying "do not enforce it"

Notwithstanding the opinion requested from the Attorney General's office, they can't leave it to the courts without prosecuting someone they arrested.

But I think that Crowns might be reluctant to prosecute a buyer who has the means to defend himself, as it may go to trial and the law has every chance of being held unconstitutional. They may just want to go after those who don't want to spend the cash, and who will plea bargain or plead guilty without the trial.
 

Fallsguy

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No. It means just the opposite. She knew that as soon as she announced the Ontario gov't was "reviewing" it that all the other provinces and the feds would sit up and take notice and no police force in Ontario is going to be interested in enforcing it. As a head of government, she can't come right out and say "ignore this law." She has already implied as much though.
 

bobcat40

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No. It means just the opposite. She knew that as soon as she announced the Ontario gov't was "reviewing" it that all the other provinces and the feds would sit up and take notice and no police force in Ontario is going to be interested in enforcing it. As a head of government, she can't come right out and say "ignore this law." She has already implied as much though.

Well technically yes, she can come out and say were not enforcing this law. This was done with the last set of prostitution laws when they were struck down but technically still on the books. I would take her very ambiguous answer "Lets leave it to the courts" to essentially mean that the government will look at each charge on a case by case basis rather than a blanket of non-enforcement.
 

squeezer

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Well technically yes, she can come out and say were not enforcing this law. This was done with the last set of prostitution laws when they were struck down but technically still on the books. I would take her very ambiguous answer "Lets leave it to the courts" to essentially mean that the government will look at each charge on a case by case basis rather than a blanket of non-enforcement.


At this point and time I believe you are probably correct but would her stance completely change if the AG believes the bill is unconstitutional?
 

Marla

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At this point and time I believe you are probably correct but would her stance completely change if the AG believes the bill is unconstitutional?

There are so many "what if's," it could drive on around the bend.
 

legmann

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There are so many "what if's," it could drive on around the bend.
Yes, but the momentum that's built up in opposition to this bill - across the country - is hard to ignore. Quite surprising, actually. No time for complacency (yet), but the signs are encouraging.
 

drlove

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Yes, but the momentum that's built up in opposition to this bill - across the country - is hard to ignore. Quite surprising, actually. No time for complacency (yet), but the signs are encouraging.

I agree, but will all provinces besides Ontario follow suit in their reluctance to enforce the law?
 

legmann

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I agree, but will all provinces besides Ontario follow suit in their reluctance to enforce the law?
BC is already steadfastly against, I believe New Brunswick as well. (MPASquared posted a more comprehensive summary elsewhere)
 

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But the federal government says Kathleen Wynne had a year to voice her concerns about a new prostitution law before it took effect this month.

A spokesperson for Justice Minister Peter MacKay says the Ontario premier instead waited until the day after the law came into force.

Let's see: the new law was introduced to parliament in early June 2014, and received Royal Assent in early November 2014... yep, I think that works out to a year. And of course during that "year", the federal government thoughtfully and objectively considered all feedback it received, and was very willing to modify the law to address any concerns that were raised. Oh if only Premier Wynne had spoken up sooner!
 

canada-man

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maybe she needs to advertise on TERB?
 

corrie fan

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I just moved to Victoria and my landlord made me sign a form from Victoria Police that mentions that it isn't allowed to bring sex workers or smoke marijuana in the apartment.

This means if you have a friend or relative who is a sex worker they can't visit you. The form might be something the landlord drew up himself to look like it came from the police or it could be a form from the police from several years ago.
 

MPAsquared

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Sorry I didn't explain it clearly. Actually in the form it's written that the tenant isn't allowed to "solicit the services of sex workers" not just to invite them to visit you.
You said the form could be drafted several years ago.But outcalls used to be legal before C-36,so why would they prohibit you from doing in your appartment something totally legal at that time?
The form doesn't mention that it isn't allowed to use the apartment to sell sex so I suspect that Victoria Police support the Nordic model by just targeting clients.
I'm confused because in the medias the city of Victoria and police say that they are against that bill,but they already gave policies against sex trade like this form signy by tenants

I would seriously question the legitimacy of said clause(s). Get a legal/lawyers opinion. Victoria PD have openly denounced enforcement of c36, I wonder if that is the landlord making up contract clauses. Or perhaps is out of touch with the surrounding laws. A landlord can't control someone's behaviors. All they can regulate is treatment of the unit& reduce nuisance to other tenants.
 

MPAsquared

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My landlord told me that this is a program between Victoria police service and landlords. Also I'm renting from a company that owns and manages dozens of buildings not an individual landlord.
Outcalls are now being made illegal after bill C-36. My understanding is that they see bringing sex workers to the building as a nuisance to other tenants.
The form doesn't say it isn't allowed for a sex worker to use the apartment to sell sex,so they might agree with the federal policies of targeting clients

Again, I would get legal council. Because you quoted above that a tenant cannot solicit the services of a sex worker. That is none of a landlords business.
 

wilbur

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My landlord told me that this is a program between Victoria police service and landlords. Also I'm renting from a company that owns and manages dozens of buildings not an individual landlord.
Outcalls are now being made illegal after bill C-36. My understanding is that they see bringing sex workers to the building as a nuisance to other tenants.
The form doesn't say it isn't allowed for a sex worker to use the apartment to sell sex,so they might agree with the federal policies of targeting clients

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A sex-worker using her appartment for work would generate far more activity, hence a perceived nuisance to other tenants, than an individual inviting a sex-worker to his appartment on a very occasional basis. Or do they imagine that a significant number of tenants in a typical appartment building could create such traffic with individuals with the designation 'prostitute' stamped on their foreheads? How do they actually identify a sex-workers... anybody with fish-net stocking's and too much makeup? If there are that many potential clients hiring prostitutes in a typical appartment building, then I think Stephen Harper is going to have a problem getting reelected.

Seems like stereotypes are involved here, and a major loss in the sense of proportion. What goes on in an individual's appartment is nobody's business, and a person is not a sex-worker until a transaction and delivery of the service takes place. Unless they intend to permanently brand sex-workers for easy public identification. But this would be going down the slippery slope of having to wear yellow six-pointed stars in an advanced society not so long ago.

Ignore the form. It is unenforceable and violates personal rights.
 

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UAE questions report on trafficking of Nepali women

ABU DHABI // The UAE has disputed a news report that claims thousands of Nepali women were trafficked to Dubai from New Delhi to work as prostitutes.

According to India’s Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), about 6,000 to 8,000 Nepalese women were allegedly trafficked through December last year.

The figures appeared in a report on Tuesday in The Times of India, an English daily.

“A multi-agency international operation, led by CBI, has stumbled upon an organised racket of trafficking Nepalese girls to Dubai for alleged prostitution and Delhi’s IGI [Indira Gandhi International] airport is the transit point for their travelling to the Gulf country,” the report said.

Dr Saeed Al Ghufli, the National Committee to Combat Human Trafficking coordinator, disputed the figure. He said no cases had been reported from the Nepalese embassy and it had not asked for assistance.

Dr Al Ghufli said there was no way of knowing about such cases if an embassy withheld such information.

“No case reported is ever ignored,” he said. “The Nepalese embassy never turned to officials to report such cases. Why are they good in reporting this to the media and not to us?”

If the women had come to the UAE alone and willingly got involved in prostitution, he said, then the matter would be different.

He urged embassies and anyone with information about trafficked victims to report them immediately to authorities who were trained to deal with victims.

If an embassy was serious about combating such crimes it should register a case with the committee, the police or the labour ministry, he said.

http://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/uae-questions-report-on-trafficking-of-nepali-women
 

drlove

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Ding dong! The witch is dead. Which old witch? The wicked witch! - always wanted to say that, and so apt in this instance....:biggrin1:

Joy Smith leaving federal politics
By: Mia Rabson

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/Joy-Smith-leaving-federal-politics-288403021.html

OTTAWA – Veteran Winnipeg Conservative MP Joy Smith will announce this morning she is stepping away from politics.

Smith, first elected in Kildonan-St. Paul in 2004, will not seek re-election in the seat in the federal campaign.

"I had to really re-examine what I was doing," said Smith, who will turn 68 next month.

She is the second Conservative MP in a week to announce a departure from federal politics, following Winnipeg South MP Rod Bruinooge last week.

Smith was re-elected three times, increasing her share of the vote each time.

Smith had dedicated much of her time as an MP to battling human trafficking, her eyes opened to the cause by her son, a police officer in Brandon who worked with exploited children.

She had two private member's bills passed amending the criminal code to address human trafficking, including introducing mandatory minimum penalties for trafficking children, and making it illegal for

Canadians to go abroad for the purposes of sexual exploitation.

She also played a key role in the last year on the government’s new prostitution law, required when the Supreme Court struck down the existing laws as unconstitutional. The new bill criminalizes the purchase of sex.

She has established a foundation in her name to help fund projects to help victims and awareness programs to fight human trafficking in Canada.

She told the Free Press she thinks the best way for her to continue her work on the issue of human trafficking will now come outside of the House of Commons.

"I’m really excited about what I can do outside of Parliament," she said.

Prior to being elected to Parliament Smith was the MLA for Fort Garry for one term. She was a high school math and science teacher for more than two decades prior to entering politics.

Smith was nominated in her riding last April but another nomination meeting will now take place.

She said she doesn’t know specifically anyone who will step in to run but expects several people to do so.

Among the names likely to be discussed are Winnipeg City Councillor Jeff Browaty and Tory MLA Ron Schuler, both of whom represent a ward or riding within Kildonan-St. Paul. However Schuler was recently nominated to run again in the provincial riding of St. Paul and Browaty was just re-elected last fall in North Kildonan. Browaty worked as a staffer in Smith’s Winnipeg constituency office before being elected to city hall in 2006.

The Liberals have nominated former NDP MLA MaryAnn Mihychuk to run in Kildonan-St.Paul. The NDP have yet to nominated a candidate.

Smith’s departure will make this riding one to watch in the next election.

More than two dozen Conservative MPs have announced they won’t seek re-election nationwide, along with eight NDP MPs and five Liberals. The election is scheduled for October but speculation is still high

Prime Minister Stephen Harper could take Canadians to the polls sometime this spring.

Mia.rabson@freepress.mb.ca
 

MPAsquared

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Joy Smith leaving federal politics
By: Mia Rabson

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/Joy-Smith-leaving-federal-politics-288403021.html

OTTAWA – Veteran Winnipeg Conservative MP Joy Smith will announce this morning she is stepping away from politics.

Smith, first elected in Kildonan-St. Paul in 2004, will not seek re-election in the seat in the federal campaign.

"I had to really re-examine what I was doing," said Smith, who will turn 68 next month.

She is the second Conservative MP in a week to announce a departure from federal politics, following Winnipeg South MP Rod Bruinooge last week.

Smith was re-elected three times, increasing her share of the vote each time.

Smith had dedicated much of her time as an MP to battling human trafficking, her eyes opened to the cause by her son, a police officer in Brandon who worked with exploited children.

She had two private member's bills passed amending the criminal code to address human trafficking, including introducing mandatory minimum penalties for trafficking children, and making it illegal for

Canadians to go abroad for the purposes of sexual exploitation.

She also played a key role in the last year on the government’s new prostitution law, required when the Supreme Court struck down the existing laws as unconstitutional. The new bill criminalizes the purchase of sex.

She has established a foundation in her name to help fund projects to help victims and awareness programs to fight human trafficking in Canada.

She told the Free Press she thinks the best way for her to continue her work on the issue of human trafficking will now come outside of the House of Commons.

"I’m really excited about what I can do outside of Parliament," she said.

Prior to being elected to Parliament Smith was the MLA for Fort Garry for one term. She was a high school math and science teacher for more than two decades prior to entering politics.

Smith was nominated in her riding last April but another nomination meeting will now take place.

She said she doesn’t know specifically anyone who will step in to run but expects several people to do so.

Among the names likely to be discussed are Winnipeg City Councillor Jeff Browaty and Tory MLA Ron Schuler, both of whom represent a ward or riding within Kildonan-St. Paul. However Schuler was recently nominated to run again in the provincial riding of St. Paul and Browaty was just re-elected last fall in North Kildonan. Browaty worked as a staffer in Smith’s Winnipeg constituency office before being elected to city hall in 2006.

The Liberals have nominated former NDP MLA MaryAnn Mihychuk to run in Kildonan-St.Paul. The NDP have yet to nominated a candidate.

Smith’s departure will make this riding one to watch in the next election.

More than two dozen Conservative MPs have announced they won’t seek re-election nationwide, along with eight NDP MPs and five Liberals. The election is scheduled for October but speculation is still high

Prime Minister Stephen Harper could take Canadians to the polls sometime this spring.

Mia.rabson@freepress.mb.ca

MP behind controversial prostitution bill to step down from position

By Jessica Smith Cross
Metro
January 13, 2015

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/126...prostitution-bill-to-step-down-from-position/

Member of Parliament and anti-human-trafficking advocate Joy Smith has decided, now that the controversial prostitution law is in full force in Canada, her job in Parliament is done.

“I’ve just finished the last bill on prostitution with (Minister of Justice) Peter McKay and I think now I’ve put the period at the end of the sentence,” she told Metro after announcing she will not run again in 2015.

Smith said that the legal tools she wanted are now in place in Canada — the prostitution law and two private-member’s bills she helped pass that strengthen laws against human trafficking of children and sexual exploitation abroad — so she will devote herself full-time to her cause.

That includes participating in a panel discussion in Toronto on Thursday, hosted by the Economic Club of Canada. She will speak alongside her son, RCMP Cpl. Edward Riglin, and two survivors of human trafficking.

Economic club spokeswoman Kara Merpaw said human trafficking isn’t typical subject matter for her organization, but it is planning to host a series of talks by Smith across Canada.

“The issue of human trafficking is a local one. That’s a major focus of each of the panels: letting people know it’s not just something that happens elsewhere,” Merpaw said.

Smith said it was through her son’s police work that she learned about the sexual trafficking of children. She never intended to be an MP but rather a school principal.

“This was not what my life was going to be,” she said. “I’m not a very good politician. I’ve never been attracted to it but I’m really glad I did it. I love being an MP and serving my constituents, but the reason I went to Parliament was to stop human trafficking. What I want to do now is continue that work.”
In the decade Smith has served as an MP, the issue of human trafficking — forced labour, including forced prostitution — has become a criminal offence, a priority for law enforcement and a public, sometimes ideologically divisive, debate.

Smith had a hand in the prostitution law that came into force last month. She’s been influential and holds the controversial view that sex work can’t be consensual, that all prostitution is human trafficking.

“They are one and the same,” she said. “I can tell you the people who are pushing back so readily are the people making money off the girls and the boys so they become associations or they become the voice. We’ll read the transcripts in the public hearings we had in the House of Commons and listen to the real stories because we hear these people from organizations that want to keep their cash flow coming in.”

Akio Maroon, chair of Maggie’s Toronto, an advocacy group run for and by sex workers, can be counted among Smith’s critics and is one of those who “push back” against her view of sex work.

“For me, her legacy is one of fighting against human rights, one that stands in opposition of workers’ rights for sex workers.”

Maroon said Smith’s contention that those who oppose her view — and see sex work as a choice — are making money off their advocacy is disproved by people like her, who are unpaid for their advocacy work.

“I’ve never received a single dime. I work for free,” she said.

“It’s very sad we had someone in political office who actively worked against the safety and dignity of sex workers,” Maroon said. “She will go down in history with sex workers’ blood on her hands.”

However, she said she didn’t dispute that Smith has had an impact, if a divisive one. “When you talk about Joy Smith, everybody gets really impassioned, because she really doesn’t get it,” Maroon said.

“She will not be missed,” she said, adding, “I don’t think we’ve really seen the end of her.”

This calculated woman is more dangerous than we give her credit for. Glad she's gone, what a witch. But... im sure she'll cause more harm