Is there an advantage in mongering in Toronto as opposed to in the US ?

[jalimon]

Quebec is a great destination not because of any policy or politics. But because of our attitude towards sex. almost all SP i saw in the 10 years i was very active were born out of montreal. often in the poorer 3rd neighborhoods. i know i am from there. From 12-13 to 17 year old we pretty much all lived or experienced sex and more importantly never associated it with love... More like a fun sport to practice

Toronto and the rest of Canada were much more 'prude'. In my 20's i spent 5 spring/summer in staff housing out west... It was clear that Quebec girl were by far the most popular....

maybe things have changed I am getting old...

 

[Tutu Pizza]

It’s safer here bud

 

[tmmsmyth]

Question: - I get it that the South and small town North is fucked in the head by dumbass Christian go-to-church bullshit and will never accept stuff the remainder of the Western world thinks is now normal - i.e. abortion and gay marriage and prostitution.

But why couldn't large city dominated states like NY, CA and IL simply legalize prostitution or take the halfway step of bringing in the Nordic model??

Alvin Bragg the Manhattan DA who is also prosecuting Donald Trump is essentially letting NY state prostitution law fall into desuetude. Now as a practical matter providers in NYC and Manhattan in particular are really expensive by Toronto standards and might continue that way even if explicit decriminalization takes place in NY State. It is also important to note that Bragg in his Day 1 memo essentially classified prostitution very similar to other old antiquated laws that have a longer history of non enforcement such as adultery and obscenity.

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h) Prostitution, PL § 230.00. ECAB supervisory approval required to prosecute Patronizing a Person for Prostitution under PL § 230.04. This does not include any felonies, or coercive practices regularly performed by those who traffic in the sex trade or related crimes such as money laundering.

i) Outdated offenses such as Obscenity, PL Article 235, and Adultery, PL § 255.17

Now while a lot of MAGA type bitch and moan about Bragg he has a huge campaign war chest and no one has announced they are running against him and now would probably be the time one would have to announce a run. Now to also be honest I suspect the Ontario Crown Attorney's probably have some of non public internal guidance very similar to Bragg's. On the otherhand I think the fact that Bragg has been able to do this without much political blowback shows attitudes are changing fast in the US on this subject and Canada shouldn't be assumed to necessarily be more open minded any more.

**Yes I know that is possible with what is called ECAB supervisory approval to still prosecute for patronizing. I also happen to know and the data shows this as well that basically this never occurs. Basically there are NO arrests or desk appearance tickets anymore in Manhattan for patronizing.

 

[tmmsmyth]

Alvin Bragg the Manhattan DA who is also prosecuting Donald Trump is essentially letting NY state prostitution law fall into desuetude. Now as a practical matter providers in NYC and Manhattan in particular are really expensive by Toronto standards and might continue that way even if explicit decriminalization takes place in NY State. It is also important to note that Bragg in his Day 1 memo essentially classified prostitution very similar to other old antiquated laws that have a longer history of non enforcement such as adultery and obscenity.

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h) Prostitution, PL § 230.00. ECAB supervisory approval required to prosecute Patronizing a Person for Prostitution under PL § 230.04. This does not include any felonies, or coercive practices regularly performed by those who traffic in the sex trade or related crimes such as money laundering.

i) Outdated offenses such as Obscenity, PL Article 235, and Adultery, PL § 255.17

Now while a lot of MAGA type bitch and moan about Bragg he has a huge campaign war chest and no running has announced they are running against him and now would probably be the time one would have to announce a run. Now to also be honest I suspect the Ontario Crown Attorney's probably have some of non public internal guidance very similar to Bragg's. On the otherhand I think the fact that Bragg has been able to do this without much political blowback shows attitudes are changing fast in the US on this subject and Canada shouldn't be assumed to necessarily be more open minded any more.

**Yes I know that is possible with what is called ECAB supervisory approval to still prosecute for patronizing. I also happen to know and the data shows this as well that basically this never occurs. Basically there are NO arrests or desk appearance tickets anymore in Manhattan for patronizing.

I also want to add from my own perspective that the BC NDP in the form of the BC AG is being chickenshit in defending PCEPA before the Supreme Court of Canada despite the NDP repeatedly criticizing the law and in fact knowing quite well that the law really isn't being enforced in BC anyways. I feel like Bragg is putting his money where his mouth is on the subject. Yes, I know Bragg has a much narrower constituency. Representing Manhattan is akin to representing just the City of Vancouver or the "old" City of Toronto. Because everything is so bloody expensive in Manhattan the sex industry is basically a lot of very high end indys and some agencies often operating from overseas mostly on an outcall basis. "Street" prostitution really isn't a thing in Manhattan.