At least cars pay and contribute to the cost of roads through gas taxes to pay for the streets….. cyclists not so much??
Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!
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If this is your argument then it has nothing, nil, nada, zero f*ck all to do with the bike lanes on Bloor, University and Yonge that the Fraud is threatening to rip out.You never understand my argument, even though I've explained it a dozen times to you.
No one drives around downtown. I go from Little Portugal to the courts downtown by TTC or - most of the time - I just walk because the TTC is so infrequent.
People drive to get in and out of downtown to go to jobs or errands in the burbs. That's why the cars are still needed. I drive to go to courts in Brampton or Newmarket. Or to run errands for my mom. Or to go to the mall because shopping's heavy to walk around with.
You just automatically write your "I hate all cars" nonsense, regardless of whatever I post. You just can't do the dialogue because your brain simply doesn't work that well.
You and he have no valid argument vis-a-vis these bike lanes being anything more than an insignificant factor and utterly trivial factor in traffic congestion and gridlock.
You're the one going off on rants about no one drives downtown except to get to and back from far flung places and parts unknown.
Stick to the subject and save yourself the embarrassment.
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No, it's not shocking at all that you and hundreds, upon hundreds of thousands of others like you from the suburbs, inner suburbs and exurbs just hop in your car for every single, solitary thing that pops into your minds. It's a mindset, it's nurture, it's bred into the culture out there, it's in your DNA.Yeah, it's shocking that I didn't take the GO train, which would have taken just as long, and then hopped on transit, which adds more time and which was stuck in the same gridlock, of construction projects that shut down many routes at the same time. That's called poor planning on the cities part for allowing such stupidity and this very same thing was pointed out. But I digress...
You're right, I remember a time when one could drive into the city for an event and it wasn't so bad. Hell, even rush hour wasn't horrible. That doesn't mean I'm stuck in the past and good for you, living downtown and you embrace that lifestyle. I guess you're looking for recognition of such, as I see your sneer, as you look down on us suburbanites. As a city dweller, I guess you feel superior to us rubes from the burbs. and how dare we come to "your" city in our vehicles...
I come into the city for a special event, with suitcase and nice clothes in hand, I'm driving.
Toronto, and many who live there, looks upon itself with rose coloured glasses and is stuck in a a dimension that does not exist. You're proof of that. Utopia is a dream and Toronto isn't it.
Throughout all of your whiny, moaning, sobbing posts detailing your motor vehicle traveling escapades into Dante's car hell of congestion and gridlock, not once has a bike lane factored into contributing in any way other than maybe insignificantly and trivially to your travels through and to, the motor vehicle apocalypse.
Bloor, University and Yonge St bike lanes have zero fuck all to with your motor vehicle travels into hell.
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It's an argument that makes sense. Unlike yours for keeping bike lanes. I have no issues with raised bike paths as long as they don't rip out existing roads for them.If this is your argument then it has nothing, nil, nada, zero f*ck all to do with the bike lanes on Bloor, University and Yonge that the Fraud is threatening to rip out.
You and he have no valid argument vis-a-vis these bike lanes being anything more than an insignificant factor and utterly trivial factor in traffic congestion and gridlock.
You're the one going off on rants about no one drives downtown except to get to far flung places and parts unknown.
Stick to the subject and save yourself the embarrassment.
The less cars on the road, the better for you, Dirk, Mandrill and all other road users and residents of the GTA.It's an argument that makes sense. Unlike yours for keeping bike lanes. I have no issues with raised bike paths as long as they don't rip out existing roads for them.
Traffic evaporation:
Seoul, South Korea. 80% of motor vehicle traffic disappeared after the Cheonggyecheon Expressway was demolishe
Other cities report between 20 - 25% drop in motor vehicle traffic after road lanes are removed.
And you are reluctant to name any...
Or, even consider the thought...
I could look at a map, knowing the city as I do, and pick out a few alternatives. Sure, there won't be a Bloor street utilized, but you'll still be able to get around easily and safely.
And which street is faster is moot point. All roads have their intricacies, with regards to things like business, on street parking, how transit impacts them, and the number of traffic lights/control/calming devices present, coupled with their traffic patterns.
Seeing that College ends at Dundas, makes it a likely secondary route to me, as all traffic then ends up on Dundas.
I won't guess, as to which is faster though, as one ends and the other is longer and crosses the city further than College/Carlton.
Why the reluctance to think differently? I'm willing to concede roads to transit/bicycle use, coupled with some secondary routes, to aid in a different traffic plan. Get the city moving!! If it's not, then transit is at a standstill, as are those in vehicles. Deliveries are late, the price of business goes up, when these deliveries are stuck idling, doing nothing.
What this shows is you don't know Toronto and don't know the difference bike lanes make for driving speed.
You don't live here and don't know.
Why should your views count?
You never understand my argument, even though I've explained it a dozen times to you.
No one drives around downtown. I go from Little Portugal to the courts downtown by TTC or - most of the time - I just walk because the TTC is so infrequent.
People drive to get in and out of downtown to go to jobs or errands in the burbs. That's why the cars are still needed. I drive to go to courts in Brampton or Newmarket. Or to run errands for my mom. Or to go to the mall because shopping's heavy to walk around with.
You just automatically write your "I hate all cars" nonsense, regardless of whatever I post. You just can't do the dialogue because your brain simply doesn't work that well.
So the answer is to make it harder for those who don't drive downtown?