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xmontrealer said:
I'm starting to wonder how similar or dissimilar this is to 1930's Germany...

In 1933/34 while antisemitism was on the rise in Germany, most German Jews did not realize what was happening, and couldn't imagine how horrific it would become.

Until it was too late for most of them...
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Its amazing that you can pretzel your way into this rationalization.
Israel is the occupying power, they've been occupying Palestine for 75 years.
They've wiped it off the maps, turned Gaza into a concentration camp and now are bombing refugees and killing women and children, all backed by US money and bombs and a state of the art armory.

Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians and still you think zionists are the victims.
The repercussions coming to zionism are going to be legal and political, brought on by idiotically racist and primitive ideology.

Every time I hear a Jew who still can't learn what Never Again means makes me wonder how humanity survives.
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Reading comprehension seems not to be one of your strong suits. That is not what I have been imploring you to provide.

You and Geno are claiming that Israel is currently committing genocide in in Gaza. But I say that the UN has not passed any resolutions substantiating that claim.

And now you presenting something from over 40 years ago also does nothing to prove your claim of current Israeli misdeeds..

But what it does prove is that you finally agree that it is UNGA or SC resolutions that are passed when the UN wants to make a binding declaration. Not a rapporteur report or a statement from the ICC or ICJ as you kept trying to get us to fall for. So at least we are headed in the right direction. We agree that resolutions are required.

So the task now, as it was before, is to find a UN resolution passed that supports your claim that Israel is currently committing genocide in Gaza and that they are practising apartheid.

Good luck, Mr. Phelps. It is indeed a Mission Impossible.
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Kautilya said:
Pretzeled mumbo jumbo.
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Logic which you are incapable of processing.

Kautilya said:
You have already been repeatedly educated that the only the ICJ, ICC and the special rapporteurs are the ones with a mandate to provide advisory opinions, prosecute or produce reports on genocide.
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You have not educated me at all. Instead, you have educated TERB as to how little you know.

Advisory opinions are not resolutions. You laughed at opinions yourself when you said, like assholes, every one has opinions. It is "advice" based on an "opinion". A resolution is an official binding policy of the body of the UN. It is not advice. It is not opinion. It is a final conclusion.
Are you saying that an opinion carries more weight than a resolution like this:

November 6, 1962
On November 6, 1962, the United Nations General Assembly adopts a resolution condemning South Africa’s racist apartheid policies and calling on all its members to end economic and military relations with the country.

Does an opinion order all the members of the UN to end economic and military relations? Why has the UN not issued a binding resolution NOW regarding what is happening NOW like they did in 1982? The UN has shown us that this is how the UN works.

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Even so I produced a resolution because am nice like that and because you asked that clearly prove Israel has engaged in genocide 40 years go. Combine that with what's going on in Gaza, the UN rapporteurs report and the ICJ verdict, it is irrefutably clear that Israel is engaged in genocide in Gaza.
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What was nice about you providing a resolution from 1982 is that you prove my point for me. There are no current binding resolutions declaring that Israel is currently committing genocide. I am asking for proof from the UN of what you claim is happening now. You have failed miserably and I don't think that even Geno would take up your cause here.

Please explain how actions from over 40 years ago prove that Israel is currently committing genocide post Oct.7? You quote 35,000 dead as proof of genocide. What does 1982 have to do with this 35,000 dead in the last 7 months.

Yes, the case is closed because your arguments are seriously descending into the realm of idiocy and I will not lower myself to your level and have you beat me with your experience. You are embarrassing yourself with this line of (non)reasoning.
 
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Frankfooter said:
No, the whole point is that you have moved the goal posts to the tiniest spot you can find, knowing that the US regularly vetoes resolutions against Israel.
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UN protocol has been followed. No irregularities or illegal tactics were undertaken. The result of following UN rules/protocol is that no resolutions have resulted that declare Israel has committed genocide in this current conflict.

You may not like the rules and you may not like the outcome, but they are what they are. Change the rules or deal with it. I don't think that there are any other options for you.
 
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Frankfooter said:
CBC posts an article from an ex Israeli ambassador who says Netanyahu is prolonging the war solely for his own political career.
Netanyahu is so desperate he will destroy zionism through genocide just so he stays in power.

Netanyahu prolonging assault on Gaza for political gain: former ambassador
Hamas agreeing to ceasefire deal increases pressure on Netanyahu, says Alon Pinkas
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He may be correct but that is not germane to the discussion of if Israel is committing genocide or is an apartheid state. You should stop claiming that unless and until the UN says so.
 
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shack said:
UN protocol has been followed. No irregularities or illegal tactics were undertaken. The result of following UN rules/protocol is that no resolutions have resulted that declare Israel has committed genocide in this current conflict.

You may not like the rules and you may not like the outcome, but they are what they are. Change the rules or deal with it. I don't think that there are any other options for you.
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shack said:
He may be correct but that is not germane to the discussion of if Israel is committing genocide or is an apartheid state. You should stop claiming that unless and until the UN says so.
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shack said:
UN protocol has been followed. No irregularities or illegal tactics were undertaken. The result of following UN rules/protocol is that no resolutions have resulted that declare Israel has committed genocide in this current conflict.

You may not like the rules and you may not like the outcome, but they are what they are. Change the rules or deal with it. I don't think that there are any other options for you.
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There is lots of talk of ending the veto at the UN, hammy.
The US is working hard for everyone to support it.

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shack said:
He may be correct but that is not germane to the discussion of if Israel is committing genocide or is an apartheid state. You should stop claiming that unless and until the UN says so.
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Its quite germaine, hammy.
Netanyahu is destroying Gaza and zionism for his own personal political career.

He will be the end of Israel as a Jewish state.
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shack said:
UN protocol has been followed. No irregularities or illegal tactics were undertaken. The result of following UN rules/protocol is that no resolutions have resulted that declare Israel has committed genocide in this current conflict.

You may not like the rules and you may not like the outcome, but they are what they are. Change the rules or deal with it. I don't think that there are any other options for you.
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The South Africa resolution was a UNGA resolution.
So the UNGA resolution declaring zionism is racism, Israel must end the occupation and the hundreds of other resolution Israel has ignored all show that Israel is a pariah state like apartheid South Africa was.

Where do you move the goal posts to next?

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Frankfooter said:
The South Africa resolution was a UNGA resolution.
So the UNGA resolution declaring zionism is racism, Israel must end the occupation and the hundreds of other resolution Israel has ignored all show that Israel is a pariah state like apartheid South Africa was.
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Yet still no resolution affirming your claim that Israel is committing genocide.

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Where do you move the goal posts to next?
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I keep asking the same question that you keep running away from.
 
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